From mguerrini at biologia.unipi.it Mon Feb 2 00:14:56 2009 From: mguerrini at biologia.unipi.it (Monica Guerrini) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:14:56 +0100 Subject: [Mesquitelist] S-value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090202081448.01B52BBC05F@mailserver.biologia.unipi.it> Hi! Thank you very much for your answers to my question some days ago! Now I have resolved my first problem, that is importing and using a gene tree reconstructed with other programs! It is very easy!!!! But now I have another two questions. First of all if I measure the distributions of test statistics (Slatkin & Maddison's S) on a simulated population tree, when I reject or accept this model drawn? I know that if the observed S.-value of my gene tree falls outside of the 95% confidence interval, that model are not supported by the data. On the contrary, if I have a case similar to the example of Mesquite's manual I don't reject the model (S = 9, observed values within the 95% confidence interval, that is 4 and 10). But now I suppose this example: I measure the observed S-value for my first gene tree and that is 9 (for example...!). Now I draw some population trees corresponding to the evolution models I want to test. I measure the distribution of S-values for each model. model n? 1: the S-value distribution has only one value, for example 2, so I reject the model (outside the boundary) model n?2: the S-value distribution has two limits: 5 and 15, so I accept the model (inside the boundary) model n?3: the S-value distribution has only one value, that is 9 (exactly my observed S-value) ?????? model n?4: the S-value distribution has two limits: 9 and 15 (lower tail exactly my observed S-value) ?????? What happen for models n? 3 and 4? I'm not sure to accept or reject these hypothesis....... The second question is: For use a gene tree (reconstructed with other software) and to measure S-value it is better to use a sequences tree or an haplotypes tree? Thank you very very much again for your help!!!!! Monica From jeffrey.oliver at yale.edu Mon Feb 2 09:22:51 2009 From: jeffrey.oliver at yale.edu (Jeffrey C. Oliver) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:22:51 -0500 Subject: [Mesquitelist] S-value In-Reply-To: <20090202081448.01B52BBC05F@mailserver.biologia.unipi.it> References: <20090202081448.01B52BBC05F@mailserver.biologia.unipi.it> Message-ID: Hi Monica, First question: With this approach, if your observed statistic falls within the 95% CI, you cannot reject a hypothesis being tested. Thus, for your examples, you would not reject models 3 or 4. However, the distribution of observed values will depend on the number of replicates you are running. Are you performing at least 100 replicates? If possible, you could try simulating 1,000, 10,000, or even more gene trees to get a better reflection of the true distribution of your test statistic. Second question: Best if your data reflect population-level sampling, thus sequence (individual) trees are more appropriate, even if many individuals have identical haplotypes. -Jeff On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Monica Guerrini wrote: > Hi! > Thank you very much for your answers to my > question some days ago! Now I have resolved my > first problem, that is importing and using a gene > tree reconstructed with other programs! It is very easy!!!! > But now I have another two questions. > First of all if I measure the distributions of > test statistics (Slatkin & Maddison's S) on a > simulated population tree, when I reject or > accept this model drawn? I know that if the > observed S.-value of my gene tree falls outside > of the 95% confidence interval, that model are > not supported by the data. On the contrary, if I > have a case similar to the example of Mesquite's > manual I don't reject the model (S = 9, observed > values within the 95% confidence interval, that is 4 and 10). > But now I suppose this example: > I measure the observed S-value for my first gene > tree and that is 9 (for example...!). > Now I draw some population trees corresponding to > the evolution models I want to test. I measure > the distribution of S-values for each model. > model n? 1: the S-value distribution has only one > value, for example 2, so I reject the model (outside the boundary) > model n?2: the S-value distribution has two > limits: 5 and 15, so I accept the model (inside the boundary) > model n?3: the S-value distribution has only one > value, that is 9 (exactly my observed S-value) ?????? > model n?4: the S-value distribution has two > limits: 9 and 15 (lower tail exactly my observed S-value) ?????? > What happen for models n? 3 and 4? I'm not sure > to accept or reject these hypothesis....... > > The second question is: > For use a gene tree (reconstructed with other > software) and to measure S-value it is better to > use a sequences tree or an haplotypes tree? > > Thank you very very much again for your help!!!!! > > > Monica > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mesquitelist mailing list > Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org > http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mesquiteproject.org/pipermail/mesquitelist/attachments/20090202/25691d2b/attachment.html From beetle at ag.arizona.edu Mon Feb 2 09:43:56 2009 From: beetle at ag.arizona.edu (David Maddison) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:43:56 -0700 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Request for info from Windows users re. alignment In-Reply-To: <498225EE.7060306@berkeley.edu> References: <498225EE.7060306@berkeley.edu> Message-ID: Kip Will reported a problem with some of the alignment tools in Mesquite 2.6 running under Windows XP. I've managed to reproduce the Opal OutOfMemoryError, but the other problems running ClustalW and Muscle we can't reproduce. For those of you who have tried to use Clustal or Muscle from within Mesquite 2.6, I'd love to hear your successes or failures. In particular, I'd like to know: - Do these tools (available under the Matrix>Align Multiple Sequences submenu) work for you? - What version of Windows are you running? - What version of Java have you installed? >The previous version of Mesquite work without error for ClustalW >alignments for me. However, since installing 2.6 I haven't been able to >get any of the alignment programs to run. > >For ClustalW and Muscle I get an error message like this-- >"A script refers to a linked file "C:\Documents and Settings\Kipling >Will\Mesquite_Support_Files\Mesquite_Prefs\temp\temp011f24518e71\ClustalAlign\alignedFile011f2452fbad1402422140.nbrf" > >that cannot be found. Because this linked file cannot be found, the >remainder of the script might not execute properly, and various warning >messages might be given. The probably cause of this is that someone >saved a file with a second file linked, and then separated the two >files. To avoid this problem in the future, either unlink files before >saving, or maintain the linked file in the same relative position (e.g., >in the same directory)." > >Running Opal gives me this-- >"A command could not be completed because an error occurred (i.e. a >crash; class java.lang.OutOfMemoryError ). If you save any files, you >might best use Save As... in case file saving doesn't work properly." > >I increased the memory allocation, but no luck. Anyway, it is a modest >sized matrix so I don't think it is actually a memory issue. > >Any helpful suggestions would be appreciated. > >Running these... >-Mesquite 2.6 (build 486) >-Windows XP 5.1 >-Java 1.6.0_11 > >kip -- =================================================================== David R. Maddison Professor and Curator PHONE: (520) 621 9781 Department of Entomology FAX: (520) 621 1150 University of Arizona email: beetle at ag.arizona.edu Tucson, AZ 85721 U.S.A. home page: http://david.bembidion.org Tree of Life: http://tolweb.org Mesquite: http://mesquiteproject.org MacClade: http://macclade.org =================================================================== From aelys.humphreys at systbot.uzh.ch Tue Feb 3 10:05:44 2009 From: aelys.humphreys at systbot.uzh.ch (Aelys Humphreys) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:05:44 +0100 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Summarise State Changes Over Trees Message-ID: <1DAD2FCA-6E2C-473E-9395-C333DA7FD0F5@systbot.uzh.ch> Hello, Summarise State Changes Over Trees gives an output of frequency of change between all states and summarises it in terms of min, max and average. It also displays the frequency of number of changes (ie. in how many trees does a certain transition change 0, 1, 2, 3, etc. times). This is useful as you can then express frequencies as percentiles rather than mean values. Unfortunately, all frequencies above 9 transitions are lumped, so that information is lost if a character changes, say, 10-15 times across the trees. Can this output can be manipulated? many thanks, Aelys Aelys M. Humphreys, PhD Student Institut f?r Systematische Botanik Universit?t Z?rich Zollikerstrasse 107 CH-8008 Z?rich Email: aelys.humphreys at systbot.uzh.ch Phone: +41 (0)44 634 8416 / 8411 / 8403 (fax) Web: http://www.systbot.uzh.ch/ / http://www.systbot.uzh.ch/institut/ personen/person.php?l=d&id=54 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mesquiteproject.org/pipermail/mesquitelist/attachments/20090203/3f354629/attachment.html From budd at embl-heidelberg.de Wed Feb 4 04:59:14 2009 From: budd at embl-heidelberg.de (Aidan Budd) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:59:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mesquitelist] deselecting branches in the Tree Window Message-ID: Hi A quick question - I often use the "Copy Tree" option from the Tree Window's Edit menu to put the NEWICK format description of the tree I'm viewing onto my clipboard If I've selected some/all of the branches on the tree e.g. using the "Selecet Clade" tool, those branches are marked-up in the text version of the tree that "Copy Tree" places on my clipboard - and I would like to avoid having this marking up/commmenting in this text so - with that in mind - how do i "deselect" branches in this window? I've hunted around through the menus and the documentation and can't find any way of doing this Any suggestions/advice much appreciated! Best wishes Aidan -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Aidan Budd, PhD tel:+49 (0)6221 387 8530 EMBL - European Molecular Biology Laboratory fax:+49 (0)6221 387 8517 Meyerhofstr. 1, 69117 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.embl-heidelberg.de/~budd/ http://www-db.embl.de/jss/EmblGroupsHD/per_1807.html From wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca Wed Feb 4 12:04:18 2009 From: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca (Wayne Maddison) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:04:18 -0800 Subject: [Mesquitelist] deselecting branches in the Tree Window In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:59 PM +0100 4.2.2009, Aidan Budd wrote: >Hi > >A quick question - I often use the "Copy Tree" option from the Tree >Window's Edit menu to put the NEWICK format description of the tree I'm >viewing onto my clipboard > >If I've selected some/all of the branches on the tree e.g. using the >"Selecet Clade" tool, those branches are marked-up in the text version of >the tree that "Copy Tree" places on my clipboard - and I would like to >avoid having this marking up/commmenting in this text > >so - with that in mind - how do i "deselect" branches in this window? I've >hunted around through the menus and the documentation and can't find any >way of doing this The convention is the same as in most computer programs -- you click somewhere else where there is nothing to select. So, if you have the arrow tool selected, touch on the background beside the tree, making sure you don't touch a branch or a terminal taxon name. Does that work? Wayne > >Any suggestions/advice much appreciated! > >Best wishes > >Aidan > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Aidan Budd, PhD tel:+49 (0)6221 387 8530 >EMBL - European Molecular Biology Laboratory fax:+49 (0)6221 387 8517 >Meyerhofstr. 1, 69117 Heidelberg, Germany > >http://www.embl-heidelberg.de/~budd/ >http://www-db.embl.de/jss/EmblGroupsHD/per_1807.html > >_______________________________________________ >Mesquitelist mailing list >Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org >http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist -- -------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Maddison Professor and Canada Research Chair Depts. of Zoology and Botany and Biodiversity Research Centre & Director Beaty Biodiversity Museum 6270 University Boulevard University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z4 Canada email: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca FAX: +1 604 822-2416 Mesquite: http://mesquiteproject.org MacClade: http://macclade.org Salticidae: http://salticidae.org Tree of Life: http://tolweb.org Beaty Biodiversity Museum: http://beatymuseum.ubc.ca Home page: http://salticidae.org/wpm/home.html From budd at embl-heidelberg.de Wed Feb 4 21:58:22 2009 From: budd at embl-heidelberg.de (Aidan Budd) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 06:58:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mesquitelist] deselecting branches in the Tree Window Message-ID: ahem - yes - that works perfectly (clicking background/re-clicking) thanks for the reply! disapointing lack of intuition on my part... From birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch Wed Feb 4 23:40:39 2009 From: birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch (Birgit Lemcke) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:40:39 +0100 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Trace continuous characters over Trees Message-ID: Hello, I tried to trace continuous characters over several trees. But when I go to this option in the analysis panel, I can not choose my continuous character matrix. Is it not possible or am I just not able to find it? Many thanks for answers. B. ============================= Birgit Lemcke Institut of Systematic Botany University of Zurich Zollikerstrasse 107 CH-8008 Z?rich Switzerland Ph: +41 (0)44 634 8416 mail: birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch ============================= From stefan.ekman at evolmuseum.uu.se Thu Feb 5 00:57:16 2009 From: stefan.ekman at evolmuseum.uu.se (Stefan Ekman) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:57:16 +0100 Subject: [Mesquitelist] stochastic mapping Message-ID: <498AA9EC.2030907@evolmuseum.uu.se> Hello, I was wondering if someone could explain to me how stochastic mapping is implemented in Mesquite, and specifically how it compares to SIMMAP... In SIMMAP, stochastic mapping is a Bayesian technique, which among other things means that you have to place a prior on tree length (i.e., the amount of morphological change in a tree). In Mesquite, whether reconstructing ancestral states or summarizing change over trees (e.g., a posterior sample from MrBayes), I find no way of placing a prior on tree length (or any other proxy for rate). Does Mesquite use some kind of "implicit prior"? Or is stochastic mapping in Mesquite non-Bayesian, instead mapping the amount of change prescribed by the corresponding maximum likelihood reconstruction? If the latter, one would expect Summarize Change to give the same result with stochastic mapping as with maximum likelihood, but empiry indicates that this is not the case. Many thanks in advance! Sincerely, Stefan Ekman ____________________________________________________ Museum of Evolution Evolutionary Biology Centre Uppsala University Norbyv?gen 16 SE-752 36 Uppsala, Sweden From budd at embl-heidelberg.de Thu Feb 5 02:53:35 2009 From: budd at embl-heidelberg.de (Aidan Budd) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:53:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mesquitelist] switching off colouring of randomly moved branches for tree export Message-ID: Again, a question related to using MESQUITE to extract sets of trees for use elsewhere - hopefully this time I've not overlooked something very simple again! When I create a set of trees which are random modifications of a given tree via random branch moves i.e. using Taxa&Trees->Make New Trees Block From-> Randomly Modify Current Tree->Random Branch Moves all of the trees have the moved branches highlighted in red. This is great - except that when I try and export the trees via copy or the File->Export menu option, the labeled branches are annotated, and this causes problems for the other software. I know I can turn off the colour using the "Color" tool on the tree window, but when I then move on to my next tree, the colouring is still switched on there, and when I move back to the tree where I did switch it off, the colour is back. also, when the colour is switched off for all trees using Drawing->Show Branch Colors The annotation is still included in the exported trees Is there some way of switching this off i.e. preventing annotations of the tree (colours, I guess other things too) from being exported in the NEWICK format trees? Thanks Aidan -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Aidan Budd, PhD tel:+49 (0)6221 387 8530 EMBL - European Molecular Biology Laboratory fax:+49 (0)6221 387 8517 Meyerhofstr. 1, 69117 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.embl-heidelberg.de/~budd/ http://www-db.embl.de/jss/EmblGroupsHD/per_1807.html From beetle at ag.arizona.edu Thu Feb 5 08:57:55 2009 From: beetle at ag.arizona.edu (David Maddison) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:57:55 -0700 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Summarise State Changes Over Trees In-Reply-To: <1DAD2FCA-6E2C-473E-9395-C333DA7FD0F5@systbot.uzh.ch> References: <1DAD2FCA-6E2C-473E-9395-C333DA7FD0F5@systbot.uzh.ch> Message-ID: Aelys, That's a very reasonable request. Let me look into that, and see what might be done. David At 7:05 PM +0100 3/2/2009, Aelys Humphreys wrote: >Hello, > > Summarise State Changes Over Trees gives an >output of frequency of change between all states >and summarises it in terms of min, max and >average. It also displays the frequency of >number of changes (ie. in how many trees does a >certain transition change 0, 1, 2, 3, etc. >times). This is useful as you can then express >frequencies as percentiles rather than mean >values. Unfortunately, all frequencies above 9 >transitions are lumped, so that information is >lost if a character changes, say, 10-15 times >across the trees. Can this output can be >manipulated? > >many thanks, > >Aelys > >Aelys M. Humphreys, PhD Student >Institut f?r Systematische Botanik >Universit?t Z?rich >Zollikerstrasse 107 >CH-8008 Z?rich > >Email: aelys.humphreys at systbot.uzh.ch >Phone: +41 (0)44 634 8416 / 8411 / 8403 (fax) >Web: http://www.systbot.uzh.ch/ >/ http://www.systbot.uzh.ch/institut/personen/person.php?l=d&id=54 > > >_______________________________________________ >Mesquitelist mailing list >Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org >http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist -- =================================================================== David R. Maddison Professor and Curator PHONE: (520) 621 9781 Department of Entomology FAX: (520) 621 1150 University of Arizona email: beetle at ag.arizona.edu Tucson, AZ 85721 U.S.A. home page: http://david.bembidion.org Tree of Life: http://tolweb.org Mesquite: http://mesquiteproject.org MacClade: http://macclade.org =================================================================== From jeffreycoliver at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 14:47:26 2009 From: jeffreycoliver at gmail.com (Jeff Oliver) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:47:26 -0500 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Trace continuous characters over Trees In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Birgit, The Trace Character Over Treesfacility is currently only available for categorical characters. -Jeff On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Birgit Lemcke wrote: > Hello, > > I tried to trace continuous characters over several trees. But when I > go to this option in the analysis panel, I can not choose my > continuous character matrix. > Is it not possible or am I just not able to find it? > > Many thanks for answers. > > B. > ============================= > Birgit Lemcke > Institut of Systematic Botany > University of Zurich > Zollikerstrasse 107 > CH-8008 Z?rich > Switzerland > Ph: +41 (0)44 634 8416 > mail: birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch > ============================= > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mesquitelist mailing list > Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org > http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mesquiteproject.org/pipermail/mesquitelist/attachments/20090210/35561718/attachment.html From scottmonks at hotmail.com Thu Feb 12 10:27:09 2009 From: scottmonks at hotmail.com (Scott Monks) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:27:09 -0600 Subject: [Mesquitelist] possible bug? Message-ID: Hello all, I am making the bittersweet move from Maclade to Mesquite (Macclade-simple to use and, for me, mostly logical menus vs. Mesquite-complicated but much more powerful and for both PC and Mac!) and I still have a lot to learn, but I have run into a problem. I am not sure this is bug or if I am doing something wrong so I thought it best to comment here rather than just send it in as a bug. I use Mesquite 2.6 on several PC's (windows XP), an I-mac (OSX 10.5), and on a dual-processor G-5 (OSX 10.3.9), all with recent updates to the operating systems. Recently I decided to label groups of taxa according to family, each with a different color. In the PC's and the I-mac this works fine (taxon names in black, cells in color), but when I open the file in the G-5 and view the character matrix the names of the taxa are in the same color as the cells and I can't read the names. The only way to return the taxon names to black is to remove the group designation. Is this a bug with the program or just a problem with the particular version of Java that runs on this computer? Checking "About this Mac" shows Java 1.3.1 Plugin settings as version 2.0.0, Java 1.4.2 Plugin settings as version 2.3.0, and Java Web Start as version 2.3.0. Has anyone else had this problem? There is also another small problem with the program in the same machine. Mesquite loads just fine, but when I open a file that had been saved in any other machine a small window opens that says "A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. Details: A command ("getInfoPanel;") did not result in the return of an object as expected. The script's results may not be as expected. More details are written into Mesquite's log file." This does not occur with files that were saved on this same machine. A copy of the info from the log file is given below. Thanks, Scott Monks log file-- (File Dialog: Open file as independent project: (/Users/scott/Documents/ aa Manuscritos/ Species descriptions/Digenea/Phyllodistomum/aa Cladistic analysis/)) # (Mesquite) # Location: /Users/scott/Documents/ aa Manuscritos/ Species descriptions/Digenea/Phyllodistomum/aa Cladistic analysis/PUBL-01.NEX Reading NEXUS file PUBL-01.NEX Reading block: TAXA Reading block: CHARACTERS Reading CHARACTERS block Character Matrix Reading block: TREES Reading block: MESQUITECHARMODELS Reading block: CODONS Reading block: ASSUMPTIONS Reading block: NOTES Reading block: MESQUITE Window Project did not respond to command setResourcesState with arguments (false false 100) Window Project did not respond to command setPopoutState with arguments (400) Module Tree Window (mesquite.trees.BasicTreeWindowMaker.BasicTreeWindowMaker) did not respond to command suppressEPCResponse with arguments () Module Basic Draw Names for Tree Display (mesquite.trees.BasicDrawTaxonNames.BasicDrawTaxonNames) did not respond to command namesAngle with arguments (?) Window Tree Window 2 showing Stored Trees did not respond to command getInfoPanel with arguments () A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: "getInfoPanel;" to object mesquite.trees.BasicTreeWindowMaker.BasicTreeWindow at 4da576) ALERT: (Mesquite): A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. Details: A command ("getInfoPanel;") did not result in the return of an object as expected. The script's results may not be as expected. More details are written into Mesquite's log file. (Alert) # (Mesquite) # Window Tree Window 2 showing Stored Trees did not respond to command toggleInfoPanel with arguments (on) Module Parsimony Ancestral States (mesquite.parsimony.ParsAncestralStates.ParsAncestralStates) did not respond to command toggleMPRsMode with arguments (off) Module Tree Window (mesquite.trees.BasicTreeWindowMaker.BasicTreeWindowMaker) did not respond to command desuppressEPCResponse with arguments () A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: "getEmployee #mesquite.ornamental.DrawTreeAssocDoubles.DrawTreeAssocDoubles;" to object Tree Window (id# 882)) A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: "getEmployee #mesquite.trees.TreeInfoValues.TreeInfoValues;" to object Tree Window (id# 882)) A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: "newValue #mesquite.trees.TreeValueUsingMatrix.TreeValueUsingMatrix;" to object null) A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: "getEmployee #mesquite.parsimony.TreelengthForMatrix.TreelengthForMatrix;" to object null) A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: "getEmployee #mesquite.parsimony.ParsCharSteps.ParsCharSteps;" to object null) A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: "getEmployee #mesquite.charMatrices.CharMatrixCoordIndep.CharMatrixCoordIndep;" to object null) A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: "setCharacterSource #mesquite.charMatrices.StoredMatrices.StoredMatrices;" to object null) Window Character Matrix "Character Matrix" did not respond to command colorRowNames with arguments (#mesquite.charMatrices.TaxonGroupColor.TaxonGroupColor) Window Character Matrix "Character Matrix" did not respond to command colorColumnNames with arguments (#mesquite.charMatrices.NoColor.NoColor) Window Character Matrix "Character Matrix" did not respond to command toggleAllowAutosize with arguments (on) Window Character Matrix "Character Matrix" did not respond to command toggleDiagonal with arguments (on) Window Character Matrix "Character Matrix" did not respond to command setDiagonalHeight with arguments (80) A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: "getEmployee #mesquite.categ.SmallStateNamesEditor.SmallStateNamesEditor;" to object Character Matrix Editor (id# 945)) File reading complete (file PUBL-01.NEX) -- _____________________________________________________ Correo/ Mail Dr. Scott Monks Universidad Aut?noma del Estado de Hidalgo (UAEH) Centro de Investigaciones Biol?gicas (CIB) Apdo. Postal 1-69 Pachuca, C.P. 42001 Hidalgo, M?xico. Mensajer?a/ Courier Universidad Aut?noma del Estado de Hidalgo (UAEH) Centro de Investigaciones Biol?gicas (CIB) Ciudad Universitaria, Carretera Pachuca-Tulancingo Km. 4.5 S/n Pachuca C.P. 42184 Hidalgo, M?xico [Tel 01(771)717-2000 Ext. 6658, 6640] [Fax 01(771)717-2112] pagina / web page http://www.reduaeh.mx/investigacion/biologia/investigadores/ monks_sheets.htm correo electr?nico / email y _____________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________ Correo/ Mail Dr. Scott Monks Universidad Aut?noma del Estado de Hidalgo (UAEH) Centro de Investigaciones Biol?gicas (CIB) Apdo. Postal 1-69 Pachuca, C.P. 42001 Hidalgo, M?xico. Mensajer?a/ Courier Universidad Aut?noma del Estado de Hidalgo (UAEH) Centro de Investigaciones Biol?gicas (CIB) Ciudad Universitaria, Carretera Pachuca-Tulancingo Km. 4.5 S/n Pachuca C.P. 42184 Hidalgo, M?xico [Tel 01(771)717-2000 Ext. 6658, 6640] [Fax 01(771)717-2112] pagina / web page http://www.reduaeh.mx/investigacion/biologia/investigadores/ monks_sheets.htm correo electr?nico / email y _____________________________________________________ From wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca Thu Feb 12 14:12:59 2009 From: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca (Wayne Maddison) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:12:59 -0800 Subject: [Mesquitelist] possible bug? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:27 PM -0600 12.2.2009, Scott Monks wrote: >Hello all, > I am making the bittersweet move from Maclade to Mesquite >(Macclade-simple to use and, for me, mostly logical menus vs. >Mesquite-complicated but much more powerful and for both PC and Mac!) >and I still have a lot to learn, but I have run into a problem. Try the new simplification system if you want it to try to simplify its interface, though its still won't be a simple as MacClade. > > I am not sure this is bug or if I am doing something wrong so I >thought it best to comment here rather than just send it in as a bug. > > I use Mesquite 2.6 on several PC's (windows XP), an I-mac (OSX 10.5), >and on a dual-processor G-5 (OSX 10.3.9), all with recent updates to >the operating systems. Recently I decided to label groups of taxa >according to family, each with a different color. In the PC's and the >I-mac this works fine (taxon names in black, cells in color), but when >I open the file in the G-5 and view the character matrix the names of >the taxa are in the same color as the cells and I can't read the names. > The only way to return the taxon names to black is to remove the group >designation. > Is this a bug with the program or just a problem with the particular >version of Java that runs on this computer? Checking "About this Mac" >shows Java 1.3.1 Plugin settings as version 2.0.0, Java 1.4.2 Plugin >settings as version 2.3.0, and Java Web Start as version 2.3.0. > > Has anyone else had this problem? OS X 10.3.9 has so many problems with java that we will probably soon declare defeat and say we don't support it. Most have to do with graphical problems of this sort. If you go to Matrix>Color Taxon Names Background, you can turn off the cell color (No Color). > > There is also another small problem with the program in the same >machine. Mesquite loads just fine, but when I open a file that had >been saved in any other machine a small window opens that says "A >script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected >certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. > Details: A command ("getInfoPanel;") did not result in the return of >an object as expected. The script's results may not be as expected. >More details are written into Mesquite's log file." This does not >occur with files that were saved on this same machine. If you open a newer file with an older version of Mesquite, or if you open a file saved with another copy of Mesquite that had extra modules installed, then the scripts saved within the files may refer to modules not in your current copy. The warning is usually innocent, just to remind you that you should expect the file to return to the same state in which you saved it in terms of windows and analyses. The data themselves should be unaffected. Wayne > A copy of the info from the log file is given below. > >Thanks, Scott Monks > >log file-- >(File Dialog: Open file as independent project: >(/Users/scott/Documents/ aa Manuscritos/ Species >descriptions/Digenea/Phyllodistomum/aa Cladistic analysis/)) # >(Mesquite) # Location: /Users/scott/Documents/ aa Manuscritos/ Species >descriptions/Digenea/Phyllodistomum/aa Cladistic analysis/PUBL-01.NEX > >Reading NEXUS file PUBL-01.NEX >Reading block: TAXA >Reading block: CHARACTERS >Reading CHARACTERS block Character Matrix >Reading block: TREES >Reading block: MESQUITECHARMODELS >Reading block: CODONS >Reading block: ASSUMPTIONS >Reading block: NOTES >Reading block: MESQUITE >Window Project did not respond to command setResourcesState with >arguments (false false 100) >Window Project did not respond to command setPopoutState with arguments >(400) >Module Tree Window >(mesquite.trees.BasicTreeWindowMaker.BasicTreeWindowMaker) did not >respond to command suppressEPCResponse with arguments () >Module Basic Draw Names for Tree Display >(mesquite.trees.BasicDrawTaxonNames.BasicDrawTaxonNames) did not >respond to command namesAngle with arguments (?) >Window Tree Window 2 showing Stored Trees did not respond to command >getInfoPanel with arguments () >A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected >certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. > Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: >"getInfoPanel;" to object >mesquite.trees.BasicTreeWindowMaker.BasicTreeWindow at 4da576) >ALERT: (Mesquite): A script has failed to execute properly, possibly >because it expected certain modules not available in the current >configuration of Mesquite. Details: A command ("getInfoPanel;") did >not result in the return of an object as expected. The script's >results may not be as expected. >More details are written into Mesquite's log file. > >(Alert) # >(Mesquite) # Window Tree Window 2 showing Stored Trees did not respond >to command toggleInfoPanel with arguments (on) >Module Parsimony Ancestral States >(mesquite.parsimony.ParsAncestralStates.ParsAncestralStates) did not >respond to command toggleMPRsMode with arguments (off) >Module Tree Window >(mesquite.trees.BasicTreeWindowMaker.BasicTreeWindowMaker) did not >respond to command desuppressEPCResponse with arguments () >A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected >certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. > Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: >"getEmployee >#mesquite.ornamental.DrawTreeAssocDoubles.DrawTreeAssocDoubles;" to >object Tree Window (id# 882)) >A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected >certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. > Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: >"getEmployee #mesquite.trees.TreeInfoValues.TreeInfoValues;" to object >Tree Window (id# 882)) >A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected >certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. > Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: "newValue >#mesquite.trees.TreeValueUsingMatrix.TreeValueUsingMatrix;" to object >null) >A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected >certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. > Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: >"getEmployee >#mesquite.parsimony.TreelengthForMatrix.TreelengthForMatrix;" to object >null) >A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected >certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. > Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: >"getEmployee #mesquite.parsimony.ParsCharSteps.ParsCharSteps;" to >object null) >A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected >certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. > Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: >"getEmployee >#mesquite.charMatrices.CharMatrixCoordIndep.CharMatrixCoordIndep;" to >object null) >A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected >certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. > Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: >"setCharacterSource >#mesquite.charMatrices.StoredMatrices.StoredMatrices;" to object null) >Window Character Matrix "Character Matrix" did not respond to command >colorRowNames with arguments >(#mesquite.charMatrices.TaxonGroupColor.TaxonGroupColor) >Window Character Matrix "Character Matrix" did not respond to command >colorColumnNames with arguments >(#mesquite.charMatrices.NoColor.NoColor) >Window Character Matrix "Character Matrix" did not respond to command >toggleAllowAutosize with arguments (on) >Window Character Matrix "Character Matrix" did not respond to command >toggleDiagonal with arguments (on) >Window Character Matrix "Character Matrix" did not respond to command >setDiagonalHeight with arguments (80) >A script has failed to execute properly, possibly because it expected >certain modules not available in the current configuration of Mesquite. > Details: Object of tell command is null (previous command: >"getEmployee >#mesquite.categ.SmallStateNamesEditor.SmallStateNamesEditor;" to object >Character Matrix Editor (id# 945)) >File reading complete (file PUBL-01.NEX) > > > >-- _____________________________________________________ > >Correo/ Mail > >Dr. Scott Monks >Universidad Aut?noma del Estado de Hidalgo (UAEH) >Centro de Investigaciones Biol?gicas (CIB) >Apdo. Postal 1-69 >Pachuca, C.P. 42001 >Hidalgo, M?xico. > > >Mensajer?a/ Courier > >Universidad Aut?noma del Estado de Hidalgo (UAEH) >Centro de Investigaciones Biol?gicas (CIB) >Ciudad Universitaria, Carretera Pachuca-Tulancingo Km. 4.5 S/n >Pachuca C.P. 42184 >Hidalgo, M?xico > >[Tel 01(771)717-2000 Ext. 6658, 6640] >[Fax 01(771)717-2112] > >pagina / web page >http://www.reduaeh.mx/investigacion/biologia/investigadores/ >monks_sheets.htm > >correo electr?nico / email > y >_____________________________________________________ > > >-- >_____________________________________________________ > >Correo/ Mail > >Dr. Scott Monks >Universidad Aut?noma del Estado de Hidalgo (UAEH) >Centro de Investigaciones Biol?gicas (CIB) >Apdo. Postal 1-69 >Pachuca, C.P. 42001 >Hidalgo, M?xico. > > >Mensajer?a/ Courier > >Universidad Aut?noma del Estado de Hidalgo (UAEH) >Centro de Investigaciones Biol?gicas (CIB) >Ciudad Universitaria, Carretera Pachuca-Tulancingo Km. 4.5 S/n >Pachuca C.P. 42184 >Hidalgo, M?xico > >[Tel 01(771)717-2000 Ext. 6658, 6640] >[Fax 01(771)717-2112] > >pagina / web page >http://www.reduaeh.mx/investigacion/biologia/investigadores/ >monks_sheets.htm > >correo electr?nico / email > y >_____________________________________________________ > > > >_______________________________________________ >Mesquitelist mailing list >Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org >http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist -- -------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Maddison Professor and Canada Research Chair Depts. of Zoology and Botany and Biodiversity Research Centre & Director Beaty Biodiversity Museum 6270 University Boulevard University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z4 Canada email: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca FAX: +1 604 822-2416 Mesquite: http://mesquiteproject.org MacClade: http://macclade.org Salticidae: http://salticidae.org Tree of Life: http://tolweb.org Beaty Biodiversity Museum: http://beatymuseum.ubc.ca Home page: http://salticidae.org/wpm/home.html From lehiggin at uvm.edu Tue Feb 17 09:20:40 2009 From: lehiggin at uvm.edu (Linden E. Higgins) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:20:40 -0500 Subject: [Mesquitelist] add taxa to tree Message-ID: <20090217122040.v8878llaf6kg0cs4@webmail.uvm.edu> Hi - I want to put back a taxon that I had cut from my trees. I've verified that I do have the module "add taxa to tree", but I cannot figure out how to actually add back in the taxon in question (it is still in the matrix). Thanks, Linden -- Linden Higgins Assistant Research Professor and Lecturer Department of Biology University of Vermont Burlington, VT 05405 phone: (802) 656-9598 web site: http//www.uvm.edu/~lehiggin From wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca Tue Feb 17 09:55:09 2009 From: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca (Wayne Maddison) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:55:09 -0800 Subject: [Mesquitelist] add taxa to tree In-Reply-To: <20090217122040.v8878llaf6kg0cs4@webmail.uvm.edu> References: <20090217122040.v8878llaf6kg0cs4@webmail.uvm.edu> Message-ID: In the tree window, Tree>Alter/Transform Tree>Add Taxa To Tree Wayne At 12:20 PM -0500 17.2.2009, Linden E. Higgins wrote: >Hi - I want to put back a taxon that I had cut from my trees. I've >verified that I do have the module "add taxa to tree", but I cannot >figure out how to actually add back in the taxon in question (it is >still in the matrix). > >Thanks, >Linden > >-- >Linden Higgins >Assistant Research Professor and Lecturer >Department of Biology >University of Vermont >Burlington, VT 05405 > >phone: (802) 656-9598 > >web site: http//www.uvm.edu/~lehiggin > >_______________________________________________ >Mesquitelist mailing list >Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org >http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist -- -------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Maddison Professor and Canada Research Chair Depts. of Zoology and Botany and Biodiversity Research Centre & Director Beaty Biodiversity Museum 6270 University Boulevard University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z4 Canada email: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca FAX: +1 604 822-2416 Mesquite: http://mesquiteproject.org MacClade: http://macclade.org Salticidae: http://salticidae.org Tree of Life: http://tolweb.org Beaty Biodiversity Museum: http://beatymuseum.ubc.ca Home page: http://salticidae.org/wpm/home.html From marc_johnson at ncsu.edu Mon Feb 23 07:19:49 2009 From: marc_johnson at ncsu.edu (Marc Johnson) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:19:49 -0500 Subject: [Mesquitelist] How does one view multiple "traced" trees without redoing ancestral state reconstructions each time? Message-ID: <001501c995ca$2b498260$81dc8720$@edu> Dear Mesquite users: I am performing ancestral state reconstructions of a binary character on a sample of Bayesian trees (1000) using maximum parsimony and BiSSE. For the MP analyses I am interested in looking at each tree to see how many times MP identifies the state change having occurred in one direction (0 to 1) versus the reverse direction (1 to 0). When I try and scroll between trees Mesquite retraces the ancestral state across each of the 1000 trees. Is there a way to view or print the MP ancestral state reconstruction of each tree without redoing the analysis across all trees every time? I have had similar issues with BiSSE, but those analyses it is possible to work around the problem by outputting the ML estimates to a text file. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Marc **************************** Marc Johnson, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Plant Biology North Carolina State University Box 7612, Raleigh NC 27695 U.S.A. Phone: 919-515-0478, Fax: 515-3436 www.evoeco.org **************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mesquiteproject.org/pipermail/mesquitelist/attachments/20090223/740c161c/attachment.html From wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca Fri Feb 27 20:20:47 2009 From: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca (Wayne Maddison) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:20:47 -0800 Subject: [Mesquitelist] How does one view multiple "traced" trees without redoing ancestral state reconstructions each time? In-Reply-To: <001501c995ca$2b498260$81dc8720$@edu> References: <001501c995ca$2b498260$81dc8720$@edu> Message-ID: I'll need more specifics as to what you're doing, because under the most obvious scenario Mesquite wouldn't (or shouldn't) retrace for all trees. So first I need to make sure I understand what you're doing. Do you have a tree window open, showing one of the 1000 trees, and you have Trace Character History on? If so, then when you scroll to a new tree, it should just recalculate ancestral states on that one tree. When you say that it redoes the analysis across all trees every time, how do you know it is doing that? Is it possible you have a chart window open that depends on the tree in the tree window (e.g. by providing simulated characters?) and this is what is being recalculated? Wayne At 10:19 AM -0500 23.2.2009, Marc Johnson wrote: >Content-type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="Boundary_(ID_UQzrpf9JOLfz1uxdkeURzg)" >Content-language: en-us > > >Dear Mesquite users: > >I am performing ancestral state reconstructions of a binary >character on a sample of Bayesian trees (1000) using maximum >parsimony and BiSSE. > >For the MP analyses I am interested in looking at each tree to see >how many times MP identifies the state change having occurred in >one direction (0 to 1) versus the reverse direction (1 to 0). When I >try and scroll between trees Mesquite retraces the ancestral state >across each of the 1000 trees. > >Is there a way to view or print the MP ancestral state >reconstruction of each tree without redoing the analysis across all >trees every time? > >I have had similar issues with BiSSE, but those analyses it is >possible to work around the problem by outputting the ML estimates >to a text file. > >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > >Marc > > >**************************** >Marc Johnson, Ph.D. >Assistant Professor >Department of Plant Biology >North Carolina State University >Box 7612, Raleigh NC 27695 U.S.A. >Phone: 919-515-0478, Fax: 515-3436 >www.evoeco.org >**************************** > > >_______________________________________________ >Mesquitelist mailing list >Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org >http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist -- -------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Maddison Professor and Canada Research Chair Depts. of Zoology and Botany and Biodiversity Research Centre & Director Beaty Biodiversity Museum 6270 University Boulevard University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z4 Canada email: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca FAX: +1 604 822-2416 Mesquite: http://mesquiteproject.org MacClade: http://macclade.org Salticidae: http://salticidae.org Tree of Life: http://tolweb.org Beaty Biodiversity Museum: http://beatymuseum.ubc.ca Home page: http://salticidae.org/wpm/home.html